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card number 1347 Comments: I just wanted to congratulate Brothers Kevin Hack & Dan Watson on passing the mechanics exam. I have had the privilege of working with both brothers. Dan is at least second generation in Local 1 . I believe Kevin Hack is 3rd generation in Local 1, I am very proud to have worked with John Hack Kevin's dad at both Otis Elevator and Armor Elevator. Congratulations to everyone who passed the test. Brothers and sisters continue to work safe, work smart and keep challenging one another for each others paid up RED union card. Respectfully Submitted Brother Brian Link Please donate to the annual Local Ones toys for tots drive , all donations or gifts can be dropped off at the hall. Thanks again.
card number 1179 Comments: November 26, 2006 One in seven Brevard elevators don't comply Early this year, 6,400 passenger elevators in the state -- about one in six -- did not have required certificates from the state saying they had been inspected and deemed safe. Since then, the state's Bureau of Elevator Safety completed one statewide "compliance sweep" to ensure elevators receive mandatory inspections and their operators pay an annual fee. A second sweep is under way. The result: Almost 7,900 elevators around the state now have expired safety certifications, including one out of every seven in Brevard County. The violations include elevators in local hotels, hospitals and high-rise condos. An elevator without a current operating certificate isn't necessarily unsafe. But flaws in the state's inspection and paperwork process have led to tragedy, an examination of the system found. And the breakdowns continue to expose shortcomings in the state's effort to turn over responsibility from government inspectors to a corps of private contractors that barely existed in the first place. A FLORIDA TODAY investigation earlier this year found the state had awarded an operating certificate for the elevator at the Rinker cement silo in Port Canaveral in August 2004, even though the elevator hadn't passed a safety inspection in years. Serious safety flaws -- problems that should have been uncovered by an inspection -- led to the death of 34-year-old Jorge Lozano when he fell down the elevator's shaft in the 165-foot tall silo. "That should have never happened," said Charles "Hub" Williams, a recently retired state elevator inspector who examined the elevator after the accident. "It was very, very preventable." A follow-up FLORIDA TODAY examination of elevator-inspection records found some questionable numbers:
The state's compliance sweeps were successful, said Meg Shannon, spokeswoman for the Department of Business and Professional Regulation, which oversees the Bureau of Elevator Safety. They have rectified thousands of violations to keep those elevators inspected and certified as safe. Still, thousands more elevators don't have current certificates. Many of them have not been current for years. "The bureau is currently looking at ways to address the issue of recurrent delinquent unit owners," Shannon told FLORIDA TODAY in an e-mail. "However, it's important to note that since implementation of the elevator sweeps, there has been an overall reduction of 2,633 newly added delinquent units from year-to-year," she said. "The state's elevator operators, who are statutorily responsible for the safe operation of their equipment, are getting the message and coming into compliance." Dubious records Jan. 3, 2005, was a busy day for elevator inspector 0063, according to state records. Very busy. On that first Monday of 2006, he inspected 34 elevators in or around the University of Central Florida's Orlando campus, according to a database of elevator inspections posted online by the Bureau of Elevator Safety, the agency in charge of monitoring the state's 300 or so private elevator inspectors. In fact, said Robert Szelc, he spent a month inspecting elevators at the university. The state's records were way off. "There is no way I do 34 in one day," Szelc said. "I probably do six or eight a day. Maybe 10 if they are all two-stops." FLORIDA TODAY accompanied Szelc as he inspected the elevators at Space Coast Credit Union's three-story headquarters on Wickham Road in Suntree. All the steps -- including riding on top of an elevator car to check safety latches inside the shaft -- required at least an hour. Szelc, a 46-year elevator industry veteran, said he does a couple of big jobs each year during which he spends a week or more inspecting elevators and dating all the paperwork at the end of the process. Shannon blamed paperwork mistakes for most of the questionable data found by FLORIDA TODAY. "Nothing that we found would have given the appearance of fraud," Shannon said. Shortcut worries Szelc and other inspectors worry some elevators might only receive perfunctory inspections before being deemed safe. In fact, serious accidents have occurred in elevators that apparently passed inspections. Teale Didomenico, an 11-year-old from upstate New York, learned that while in Boynton Beach in April. While waiting for her aunt to enter, Teale held open a third-floor elevator door. Suddenly, the elevator began to drop. Stunned, Teale tried to dive out of the elevator. She didn't make it. Instead, she was caught between the landing and the top of the car, with her head outside the car and her feet dangling inside. It took firefighters 20 minutes to rescue the girl. She spent four days in a Delray Beach hospital before returning to New York. She suffered internal injuries and still is being evaluated at a hospital in Buffalo, said Samuel Yaffa, a lawyer representing Teale in a lawsuit against the owners of the complex and ThyssenKrupp Elevator Corp., the company that serviced the elevators. An inspection in November 2004 uncovered no violations in the elevator. But an inspection immediately after the accident found nine. Carroll Crawford, the inspector who did the post-accident inspection, characterized the violations as minor and said the elevator was safe. Still, he said he was perplexed as to why the elevator fell. "As an elevator man, the one thing I don't want to hear is for the elevator to move with the door open." Problems for owners Meanwhile, paperwork glitches also have caused problems for building owners. Jerry Shea, the president of Xanadu condominium association, was surprised to learn from FLORIDA TODAY's earlier report that one of the two elevators in his 15-story Cocoa Beach building did not have a current operating certificate. He checked with the company that maintains the two elevators and found it had made an error in forms it sent to the state. The elevator received its updated certificate within three weeks. "It is a strange system where the state depends on private inspectors," Shea said. Those working in the elevator industry in Florida say nothing is inherently wrong with privatized elevator inspections. It's just that the state does a poor job overseeing the process, they say. "Privatization has no bite," Szelc said. "The state has the bite, but they don't use it to push the companies." A state auditor general's report released in December echoed those criticisms, claiming the Bureau of Elevator Safety had data reliability problems and an inadequate oversight process. Lee Rigby, a former state supervisor of inspectors and now president of Vertical Assessment Associates, said the state's army of private inspectors receives little guidance, especially on how to interpret state regulations. When the state ran the program, he said, inspectors were fairly uniform in how they conducted inspections and interpreted regulations. "Now, we have 200 each with their own interpretation," he said. Contact McCarthy at 752-5018 or jmccarth@flatoday.net
card number 1613 Comments: Brothers & Sisters, I am sorry to inform you of the passing of Brother Jack Chaplan’s sister, Dawn Tribucio. Services will be held at:
Kamienski Funeral Home 106 Locust Avenue, Wallington, NJ 07057 973-779-1967
Sunday 11/26/06 2-4 pm & 7-9 pm
card number 1347 Comments: Hopefully everyone had a great Thanksgiving. Please don’t forget those brothers and sisters who are out of work. Please reach out to others less fortunate then you and I . Many families are struggling to keep a roof over their head, food on the table. There are so many of us with so much, but yet many families have so little? Please don’t get caught up with this new idea of Christmas “begins at midnight of Thanksgiving?” Once again we are being dictated by the big box stores & corporate America what this holiday is all about? Let’s never forget what Christmas is really about? It’s about the birth of Jesus, our faiths regardless of its denomination is all about something much bigger then we. It’s all about serving, its all about giving of ourselves to others; it’s all about doing something to make a difference in others people’s lives. It’s so rewarding to reach out to others. We need to be more tolerant of others who are let’s just saying different then us. I am extremely thankful for both my children Angela & Scott for teaching me tolerance, to accept others who may be different then us. I also wanted to congratulate Sayville High School for being crowned the Long Island Football Champions in Division 3 ! Why ? Because I very proud of the High School my children attend, also because a Local One brother Jim O’Connor’s son Billy O’Connor was very big part in the teams SUCCESS . I wanted to address the earlier post by Skitzo, I thought her words were very true. I want to commend her for her courage and for speaking her mind. Most of all I agree with this sister regarding going forward with this union. We need to stand united behind the elected officials. We will have the opportunity to change who is leading this union in June 2007. I feel very strongly though until then we need to Unite. Do I agree with Ray Hernandez all the time? Absolutely not but he is the president of OUR union, If I do disagree with Ray or any elected officer or brother I will speak directly to them. I refuse to bash or embarrass our Local, whether it’s behind closed doors or any other means of communication. Let’s never forget brothers and sisters all these elected officials WORK for us. I will as always continue to be very involved, educated and truly concerned regarding the future of my union. Most of all I am extremely grateful to carry a union card. I am very proud to be an American with many choices, my question to all of you reading this post? What will your choice be? Once again thanks for reading my long post. I hope the holiday coming brings all of us nothing but the best of health and happiness Respectfully Submitted Brother Brian Link
card number 2178 Comments: BROTHERS AND SISTERS, Put everything aside for the day and enjoy your family. I wish everyone a HAPPY THANKSGIVING...
card number 1850 Comments: The Local 1 Pipe and Drum Band will be hosting their annual RAFFLE AND PARTY SAT DEC 2 2006 @ 7PM ONLY 300 TICKETS!! FIRST PRIZE: 10,000 15 PRIZES TO BE AWARDED. The cost of the tickets is 100.00 which entitles you to ADMISSION FOR TWO TO THE RAFFLE DRAWING WHICH WILL HAVE AN OPEN BAR AND BUFFET DINNER AND ENTERTAINMENT. PLEASE COME OUT AND SUPPORT YOUR BAND!!!
TO OBTAIN A TICKET CALL NOW!!!!
917-578-1970 Brother Bill Madden
card number 1179 Comments: Dear Brothers & Sisters: We had 18 people signed up for this past QEI class in Aug. We need 15 min to take the class. If you are going to take this Dec class, please send in your paperwork ASAP and or call Michelle Taylor and let her know you are taking this class. Thanks.
card number 1179 Comments: Dear Brothers & Sisters: We have received the QEI packet at the hall. I will be in the hall mailing out applications to everyone who has called me. Stop by the hall or call and we will get a QEI info packet out in the mail to you.
card number 2757 Comments: We all whine,we all complain from time to time,But its all of you that do it to yourselves,When I first came in,there was a vote to give starting helpers less pay,the helpers were defenseless,many did not have cards at the time and the vote passed,now you all think its nothing but you basically agreed to cheap labor,the very thing that is destroying this country, Most of you have to be threatened with fines in order to exercise your right to vote,and then you vote blindly with who ever gives away the nicest pen,Fear of retribution ,lay offs ,and black balling keep many from just being honest,there is a saying,act like a man,stop gossiping like a woman.......well you all got that wrong cause it should be the other way around,it is the female dog who is tougher then the male,Many of you couldn't wait to be rid of a wonderful leader named John green,He wasn't perfect,but he was great in many ways,but many of you chose to only see the bad,and you supported a horrible web site and horrible men(in the field) that basically brought this union down,.......I was not happy when a hostile takeover took place,but most of you supported it and you wore buttons to prove it,you acted like a superhero was taking over and all would be made right,but as karma would have it,be careful what you wish for,everything has a price,...I hate what Ray and Ed krull did to John green, and I was attacked for my opinions.I hate the endorsements he gave and the cabinet he formed,But he did what he felt at the time the majority wanted,and he must have been right because his cabinet kept winning, now things have gone sour,but he is the president and you cant keep beating him over the head,for all the country to see,You can't vote someone in and then flip flop when things go wrong,You have to put on a united front,that is where power comes from,I have been out of work for 10 months,no operator called me and said hey you need a week,you are like the kid with his hand in the cookie jar who got caught,your not sorry for the theft, you are only sorry you got caught,I am sorry for offending any one but I went to school,I passed the test,I paid my neiep dues,while some of you never went one day and made mechanics money on cars ,its over,rise up to the challenge ,form a front,show the other trades we are number one,we may be down but not beaten,My house is going into for closure,I have no turkey for thanksgiving,but you know what ,My kids are healthy and I don't have breast cancer,You voted for these people,respect them and stop embarrassing the local, Yeah yeah yeah,I await your childish pornographic response's and the fact that I will eat lunch all by self,get me a tissue,
card number 86 Comments: After all these days of unemployment the $50 gift card from the local will come in handy and is appreciated. I bought a 30 case of Coor's Light (to get through all those NIGHTS of unemployment.)
The gray haired lad
card number 1179 Comments:
Work Safe, Brother Tom Moore
card number 8517 Comments: to the brothers who came over from local three when Scindler took over Millar. Did you know that if you did not continue to pay to the IBEW you lost your international pension? I don't know what we were suppose to pay or who we were suppose to pay it to. At the time of the transition from Local 3 to Local 1 there was a lot of hostility and no one was willing to help me obtain the information. recently I applied for my husbands pension from the IBEW and I was informed that his pension was void. This does'nt seem fair since Tim paid his dues for 27 years. I'm going to pursue this. If anyone else is effected you can call the international at 202-728-6206. Please call and protest this if you are effected. there is strenght in numbers. The pension is small but every little bits helps when you retire. The pension is the International pension not the Local 3 pension.
Also for those who knew Tim Faranda, Schindler, Tim continues to fight his terrible cancer but your prayer and best wishes are needed. Perhaps his friends can send a card to help his spirits during this holiday season.
Pat Faranda wife
card number 743 Comments: I want to wish everyone sitting for the mechanic's exam, good luck. Good testing to you,may your pencils stay sharp,your seat stay dry and your determination never waiver! To all of you who were in my classes over the years, I went to St.Francis and said a novena. Eddie K. I asked for an 86 for you ,fatty! Joe C. if you don't pass your ass will be mine! Think of all the knuckleheads who passed this test and take inspiration from it, are you any less of a bonehead. Once again I say control your bladder, stop your bowels from rumbling and have courage I passed it and so can you! Go to bed early drink your milk[or orangina if you prefer, big gay john]and bang out that test!! All the best, Billy Bennet
card number 2178 Comments: To all my schindler partners taking that dreded exam, i wish you all the best of luck, and whatever the outcome is you are still the same guys and Daddys so take it in stride and do your best my prayers and wishes are with you all....
card number 1179 Comments: 11/15/2006 Elevator companies face fines By: Scott Whipple , Herald Staff FARMINGTON - Otis Elevator could face steep fines for fixing prices of elevators and escalators. Otis, a United Technologies Corp. company, and three of its competitors face European antitrust fines. According to Bloomberg News, the world's largest elevator maker along with Schindler Holding AG, ThyssenKrupp Krupp AG, and Kone Oyj will be penalized. The Brussels-based European Commission formally charged the four companies last month. Fines may be announced later this month. The commission alleges a price-fixing cartel took place in Belgium, Germany, Luxembourg and the Netherlands between 1998 and 2004. The four companies control about 75 percent of the global elevator and escalator market. Fines are expected to break the 2001 record of $2.36 billion. Since Neelie Kroes became European Commissioner for Competition in November 2004 she has made busting cartels in the 25-nation EU her top priority. Under EU law, the commission can fine companies accused of operating a cartel as much as 10 percent of their annual sales, though fines usually run from 2 to 3 percent. According to Bloomberg, the four companies had a combined sales of approximately $107 billion in 2005. Commission Spokesman Jonathan Todd declined to comment on the charges. Otis spokeswoman Tizz Weber would only acknowledge that last year an internal investigation at Otis had shown some European employees may have violated competition law. Schindler, the second largest maker of elevators, is "waiting for the commission decision," said Ivo Zimmerman, spokesman at the Hergiswil, Switzerland-based company. Schindler is fully cooperating with the investigation. Monica Soffritti, a spokeswoman for ThyssenKrupp of Dusseldorf, Germany, had no comment. ThyssenKrupp is the third largest elevator company. Minna Mars, spokeswoman for Kone of Helsinki, Finland, the fourth largest elevator maker, said Kone has not been informed of a pending commission decision, but the company was continuing to cooperate with the commission. Otis has applied for immunity from fines for cartel activity in the Netherlands. However, it will still face penalties for actions in the other three countries. All four companies can appeal the cartel fines to the European Court of First Instance in Luxembourg.
card number 1179 Comments: Dear Brothers & Sisters: We have received the QEI packet at the hall. I will be in the hall mailing out applications to everyone who has called me. Stop by the hall or call and we will get a QEI info packet out in the mail to you.
TO: Mr. Tom Moore, Local 1
We're delighted to have the opportunity to return to Local 1 for another QEI Certification review class and exam. Accordingly, I will be at your facility on December 4, 2006 to begin the week's review class. All the terms and conditions remain the same as those presented in our last proposal; specifically, the cost per person will be $800.00, all inclusive (application fee, review seminar, and certification exam). This cost is only good for Local 1 members -- the seminar and exam fees are higher for the "general public." The review course runs Monday thru Thursday, and the exam is given on Friday.
Fees must be paid in advance. Also, each participant must submit a FULLY completed application for certification, including both the employer reference and personal reference forms PRIOR to attending the course.
Applications and fees should be sent directly to Taylor Technologies Group/Lift Technologies International. (either name is acceptable, as LTI is a subsidiary of TTG) All MAIL (including Express Mail) should be sent to
If application packages are sent via Fed-X, UPS, DHL, or other NEXT DAY carrier, the correct physical address is
Under separate cover to you, I will send another copy of the list of the latest required reference codes. Each participant must have his/her own reference codes to bring to the course. In summary, each participant must at least have the latest editions of ASME A17.1, A17.2, A17.3, A17.1S, A18.1, ASME QEI-1 and the National Electrical Code (NFPA 70). All of the ASME codes can be obtained directly by ASME in NY -- call 1-800-THE ASME to order. NFPA 70 can be obtained from most electrical supply stores (or get an electrical contractor to give you one), or can be ordered from Elevator World. You can order on-line at elevatorbooks.com. (The Field Employees' Safety Handbook -- which is also a "required" reference can also be ordered here.)
The review class begins at 8:00 am daily, Monday thru Thursday. It's scheduled to run until 5:00 pm each day, although we'll try to end a little early to allow for the traffic conditions. On Friday, participants should be there by 7:30 am. The exam will start promptly at 8:00 am, and will end at 2:00 pm.
Anyone with questions may call me directly -- 540-772-4964. If I am not in the office, calls will be forwarded directly to my personal cell phone. If I'm in a pit (out of cell phone range) my personal mailbox will accept messages, and I check those several times each day.
Thank you again for the opportunity to come to Local 1. I look forward to meeting another great class! Michelle Blankenship-Taylor
Work Safe. Brother Tom Moore
card number 10 Comments: DEAR BROTHERS AND SISTERS,LETS NOT FORGET ABOUT OUR SICK, AND HURT BROTHERS AND SISTERS OUT THERE HAVING A HARD TIME, ESPECIALLY WITH THE HOLIDAY SEASON QUICKLY APPROACHING!!! ALSO OUR MEMBERS THAT ARE OUT OF WORK DURING THESE TOUGH TIMES.LETS FORGOT ABOUT OURSELVES, AND HELP OUT THESE MEMBERS ANYWAY WE CAN. I KNOW THERE ARE MANY MEMBERS OUT THERE WHO COULD USE OUR HELP, OR EVEN JUST A SIMPLE PHONE CALL OR VISIT.JUST TO NAME A FEW MEMBERS; JOHN CORDIERO(SCHINDLER), WHO'S BEEN OUT SICK AND JUST HAD BACK SURGERY THIS WEEK,AND MARK VERSACE EXCEL&KONE), WHO'S BEEN OUT SINCE JANUARY RECOVERING FROM A SERIOUS ACCIDENT, IZZY CORTEZ
card number 1347 Comments: Today is November 11th, 2006 . The official day for Veterans Day. Dont ever forget all the men and women who have proudly served this country! Whether you agree with the WAR in Iraq or not these FINE men and women signed up for ANY tour of duty. Please if you see a war veteran or an active soldier, do what you SHOULD do, reach out your hand and let them know how proud you are of them!! They are all putting their lives on the line for all of us , including our families. Its such a shame when I read in the newspapers that we as a nation DONT Unconditionally support our war heroes, we as a nation need to re-evaluate health coverage for all these fine men and women . They go over and are fighting for their lives while defending our country, but yet they come home and can't pay the bills! What a travesty! I am so proud of our international stance with the Helmets to Hard hat program. GOD BLESS AMERICA ! I would like to take this moment to thank any veteran who is reading this page, I would like to let all the veterans know how much I appreciate all you have afforded me and my family and friends here in this great country! On a union note continue to support one another, work safe and work smarter. Please continue to check one another for a paid up union card. If a brother or sister can not provide you with a paid up union card , let your shop steward or your business agent know. Its a great priviledge to have a UNION card ! I am looking forward to the next scheduled Union meeting , I am anticipating some answers to many VITAL questions which were asked at the mike last meeting?? Most of all continue to be involved in your lives at work and at home. I will always remain involved , concerned and educated on all the issues . I will always be proud to carry a card for this UNION. When you are enjoying a nice hot cup of coffee in your home this morning take a moment of your time and be GRATEFUL for what we have and pray for those who truly SERVED our country. Respectfully Submitted Brother Brian Link
card number 1179 Comments: Otis, Schindler to Get EU Fine for Elevator Cartel, People Say By Matthew Newman Nov. 10 (Bloomberg) -- United Technologies Corp.'s Otis unit and three competitors face European Union antitrust fines for fixing prices of elevators and escalators, people with knowledge of the probe said. Otis, the world's largest elevator maker, Schindler Holding AG, ThyssenKrupp AG and Kone Oyj, will be penalized, according to three people who declined to be identified because the decision isn't public. The Brussels-based European Commission, which sent formal charges to the companies in October 2005, may announce the fines as soon as the end of November, the people said. ``If there are fines then that should put pressure on the stocks, especially ThyssenKrupp,'' said Christian Obst, an analyst at HVB in Munich who has an ``outperform'' rating on ThyssenKrupp. The penalties may make this year the biggest ever for antitrust fines, breaking a 2001 record of 1.83 billion euros ($2.36 billion). The commission alleges a price-fixing cartel took place in Belgium, Germany, Luxembourg and the Netherlands between 1998 and 2004. The four companies control about 75 percent of the global elevator and escalator market, which is worth 30 billion euros in annual sales, HVB's Obst estimates. European Competition Commissioner Neelie Kroes has made busting cartels in the 25-nation EU her top priority since she took over from Mario Monti in November 2004. Four of the 10 biggest cartel penalties in EU history have been levied this year. Possible Fine Under EU law, the commission can fine companies accused of operating a cartel as much as 10 percent of their annual sales. It typically opts for about 2 percent to 3 percent. The four companies had combined sales of about $107 billion in 2005, according to Bloomberg data. The commission has levied 1.32 billion euros so far this year. Jonathan Todd, a commission spokesman, declined to comment. Otis said last year that an internal investigation had shown that some European employees may have violated competition law. Tizz Weber, a spokeswoman at Otis, had no further comment when reached by telephone yesterday. Schindler, the second-largest maker of elevators, is ``waiting for the commission decision,'' said Ivo Zimmermann, spokesman at the Hergiswil, Switzerland-based company. ``Schindler is fully cooperating with the investigation.'' Monica Soffritti, a spokeswoman at Dusseldorf, Germany-based ThyssenKrupp, the third-largest elevator company, had no comment. Kone, the No. 4 elevator maker, hasn't been informed of a pending commission decision, Kone spokeswoman Minna Mars said. ``We continue to cooperate with the commission,'' Mars said. Internal Audit Kone, based in Helsinki, and Otis said in March 2004 that their employees may have been involved in anticompetitive activities. An internal audit uncovered such behavior at units in Germany, Belgium and Luxembourg, Kone said. Farmington, Connecticut-based Otis applied for immunity from fines for cartel activity in the Netherlands. It will still face penalties for actions in the other three countries, two of the people said. Schindler said in October 2005 that ``local violations'' had taken place in the past in a few EU countries. Schindler also said that the company's own rules prohibited agreements that contravened cartel law. Schindler and ThyssenKrupp will be fined for colluding on prices in all four countries, the people said. Kone applied for immunity and won't be fined for violations in Belgium and Luxembourg, the people said. The companies can appeal the cartel fines to the European Court of First Instance in Luxembourg. To contact the reporter on this story: Matthew Newman in Brussels at Mnewman6@bloomberg.net . Last Updated: November 10, 2006 06:16 EST
card number 1735 Comments: CONGRATULATIONS TOMMY!!!! Brother Tommy Murphy and his running mates swept the elections Tuesday, I am sure the Village of Mamaroneck will continue to flourish with fine decision makers like Tommy in office. MAMARONECK VILLAGE TRUSTEE -- 80 of 100 precincts reporting (80%)
card number 174 Comments: Brothers and Sisters, I just wanted to drop a line and let y'all know about a coupla Brothers recently hurt. First up is good Brother Jimmy Reed from Kone. Jimmy's in NY hospital over on Main St. and Booth Mem. Drive, just north of the Main St exit of the LIE, in beautiful Queens. He's gonna be there a while with a real bad banged up knee and ankle. Try and stop by if your by there, that Brother's gonna need some company. Next up is Good Brother Keith Clark also down and out with a bad ankle. If you can try and reach out to them, it's always good to hear a friendly voice when your hurtin'. |
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